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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 31, 2010 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: a trip to prog-land

Apropos of nothing - since some of you seem to be in the habit of compulsively browsing through Dead discussions on online forums - I thought I'd share this old thread I randomly stumbled upon today - where Yes fans debate whether the Dead were a prog band:
http://www.yesfans.com/archive/index.php/t-24011.html

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Poster: Jim F Date: Aug 31, 2010 11:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Well that was certainly a great read. It's hard to pick a favorite quote, but it might be this one...

"One of the best studio Dead albums ever is Reckoning."

Though I have to admit I haven't made it all the way through, yet.

I heard "Long Distance Runaround" on the radio the other day and they had the nerve to cut it off at the end of the song without going into "The Fish." I was pissed.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 1, 2010 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Alright, Jim F, I'll play:

HelioS quotes:

["Prog rock has pretensions. The Dead are anti-pretentious. That is all.

This is not really true: The Dead had plenty of pretensions of their own: hippie pretensions; counter-cultural pretensions; drug culture pretensions.

What The Dead did NOT have were the "virtuoso" pretensions that Yes and so many other British bands were so villified for.]

HelioS writes:
" One might also say "acid pretensions" of the kind kind that typified many psychedelic bands - - such as some early Pink Floyd and many lesser lights. This I would define as long, formless, meandering jams that seemed, in the grip of a certain experienece, to be brilliant, profound, universal, etc. etc. - - but whuch turn out to have been just boring meandering jams.

Although we might not thinks so, this too was a certain kind of pretension: even our trippiest druggy meanderings must be profound"

TOOTMO says:
I remember how my sparkling brilliances of evenings past by light of day too often tarnished like cheap silver.

TOOTMO

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 1, 2010 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Actually, I think my favorite quote is from tommyhawk:

"Using established logic: since rock and roll is the result of the incorporation of blues, jazz, and country influences, one can conclude that the Grateful Dead is the very definition of rock and roll."


TOOTMO

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Sep 1, 2010 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

I guess every board has their own Huckster:

Silvershoes said:
"Well, by the mid 80's, The Grateful Dead were WAAAAY past their prime, and like it or not, they were really living off their past glories."

Cute screen name, Cliff.


TOOTMO

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 1, 2010 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Jim, do you have directv? They are playing a new Yes concert on the 101. Watched some of it the other night.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 1, 2010 10:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

no way do I consider the Dead as progressive rock. Their range and material is way more versatile.

no mulletts, no synthesizers being more prominent than guitar ( not in their prime anyway ), and their style covered more ground. I like old Rush and can appreciate Yes for sure, but those bands sound gets a little stagnant where the Deads sound evolved. They didn't get into their rut for 15 years. What Prog band can say that?

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 1, 2010 11:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Gong, maybe??

Though not a band, but as a force or purveyor, Richard Sinclair comes to mind.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 1, 2010 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

King Crimson BUT Fripp changed the line-up so much that not sure that's a fair response.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 1, 2010 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

BD, I'd agree - on both counts.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 1, 2010 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

yeah maybe. Don't know their stuff. Know who they are and had friends into them

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Sep 1, 2010 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Gong was still touring in the last year or so. Richard Sinclair's website hasn't been updated since 2007. If you don't know Richard's stuff (Caravan, Camel, Robert Wyatt Band, Hatfield In The North and his solo and recent projects), check out RSVP or Caravan of Dreams. Both of those are from the 90's and felt and sounded fresh then . . . a good 20+ years on from the prog emergence.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 1, 2010 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

I've heard of Camel but then again not HEARD them and didnt know it was the same guy involved.

Had a friend that turned me on to Can back in my record store says. They had some cool stuff I liked. This is pre all that techno rave house stuff too

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Aug 31, 2010 9:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Listening to Siberian Khatru this very second and don't you know LightIntoAshes I have nothing but admiration for this band - saw them In The Round in 1978 at MSG row 14 and was never the same. I do wish Bill Bruford had kept with the band - Close To The Edge - is the place to start...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Aug 31, 2010 10:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

After reading that , I will thank God right now for making me a deadhead .

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Poster: advokat Date: Aug 31, 2010 10:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: a trip to prog-land

Well, that taught me that Fripp is friends with Hunter. Who knew? Then again, how many know Fripp is on Nick Cave's latest?

http://stereogum.com/471481/grinderman-super-heathen-child-feat-robert-fripp/mp3s/

I also saw Yes in the round and it was up there with the best I ever saw.